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Н The outlook for Linux in Russia Н
Monday May 13, 2002 - [ 04:12 PM GMT ]
Topic - [14]GNU/Linux -Н - by [15]Bruce Tober -
"As GNU/Linux came originally from Finland, our neighboring country,
it looks like almost native for a significant part of computer
community here." So says Vyacheslav "Slava" Sobolev, Editor-in-Chief
of [16]Hard'n'Soft , a Russian monthly computer magazine. "Almost
native" it might appear, but is it really catching on in Russia? To
find an answer we queried many of the country's leading GNU/Linux
gurus, and others.
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Numbers are hard to come by. Russian Information Service (RISER) in a
study commissioned specifically for this report found, "There isn't a
sales boom, high popularity of learning courses or successful
GNU/Linux-projects press- releases." On the other hand, the report
said, "increasing number of publications and books devoted to
GNU/Linux can be regarded as one of indirect signs of GNU/Linux
popularity though the relation between IT- departments and this OS is
still hidden or invisible. Nowadays, in 60% of cases GNU/Linux is used
on servers and in 23% - on workstations. In the rest it's used both on
servers and workstations."
And as Svetlana Semavina, PR manager for ASP Linux, says, a "rather
large GNU/Linux community exists in Russia. There are more than 30
GNU/Linux user groups in different Russian cities."
And its largest user base is in the business sector, rather than at
home. While admitting the unsurprising thought that it's "not so
popular as Windows," Michail Kuzmin, also of Hard'n'Soft, notes that
new Russian laws "allow any fiscal organizations to check the software
licenses of small and medium companies" with whom they do business. So
many of those companies are moving to "use server versions of
GNU/Linux, since the GNU/Linux OS license is free and most GNU/Linux
software is cheap."
According to Aleksey Smirnov, director of ALTGNU/Linux , the Russian
implementation of MandrakeSoft, "more than 30,000 copies of
ALTGNU/Linux are sold yearly". But he admits RedHat and Debian are the
most popular distros. And he cites the "Rusification" of ALTGNU/Linux
(and its RedHat opposite number, ASP Linux) as major reasons for the
increased take up of the operating system.
"Now many internationalization problems are solved," he explains. But,
he says, "there is a lack of Russian OCR and financial software for
GNU/Linux."
And, he's not alone in that assessment. Semavina notes, "The main
reasons for lack of popularity of Linux in offices and homes is that
the most popular Russian accounting software, 1C, is designed for
Windows," and, she adds, another problem is there's a "lack of games
for Linux."
Another oft-cited problem for GNU/Linux is that pirated software is as
easy to come by in Russia as sunny days in summer. "Home users,"
explains Alexander Rusin, R&D department manager and software designer
at NooLab Corp., "on the contrary, don't use GNU/Linux, with very-very
rare exclusions." NooLab develops linguistic databases and engines,
expert systems based on natural language analysis, and other IT
products.
The reason home users are few and far between "is very simple", he
says, "Windows is more equipped with different end-user software, it's
standard and prevalent." In addition, Rusin points out the piracy
issue, "Windows cost is not a concern, Russian home users install
pirate copies - that is absolutely total practice, at least outside
Moscow."
Moreover, according to some, Microsoft OSes have traditionally been
the OSes of choice. For example, Kuzmin, who says, "the use of
Microsoft in Russia has a very long history. For many users, the
phrase 'operating system' and the term 'Windows' are synonymous.
Windows has a special Russian version, so for non- English users,
Windows Rus is the preferable software."
Maxim Vorsobine, developer of FurtherTime, a Windows game soon to be
coming in a GNU/Linux version says, "Windows is everywhere. It is also
a well-known fact that domestic banks/police databases/social services
computers still run MS-DOS. Yes, DOS, due to the enormous value of
inertia. I suggest they are going to run DOS until their employees die
watching their old pc crumbling to pieces."
> Vorsobine was interviewed during Russia's 12-day Mayday holiday period
> and explained that "everybody is under strong influence of drink and
> cannot demonstrate any degree of intelligence in behavior at this
time." Which could account for any exaggeration in his comments. And
like Semavina, Vorsobine notes that "there are many translated and
original books on GNU/Linux so one may say that popularity of
GNU/Linux is increasing."
Rusin also believes GNU/Linux "and UNIX generally" is more popular in
Russia than in Europe/USA, "at least for web-servers. In Russia about
80 per cent of web-servers are powered by UNIX'es. In the rest of the
world it's only about 65 percent," he said. "UNIX in Russia is a
business- servers-solution and the IT-institutes' (schools) choice,
unambiguously. All professional hosting-centers, server-centers,
it-centers, hi-tech departments, institute IT-labs choose UNIX for
servers. Exclusions are very rare."
He notes that Windows-based servers are only used "where there are
important win-applications to be installed on the server, such as the
need to install MS SQL or Intarbase (rather popular here), or where
the sysadmin is not so experienced to setup UNIX."
But while he doesn't believe there's much that can be done to improve
its popularity in the home in the short term, he does venture a guess
that home users "after some years - there may be a lot of GNU/Linux-
soft, due to KDE improving, and" he believes, "the fall of pirate-
practice will cause GNU/Linux-percent growth."
Peter Novodvorsky, who also works for ALTGNU/Linux, thinks the big
Linux news in Russia is that it's "the same as in the big world -- the
release of OpenOffice 1.0. We have our own project, openoffice.ru." In
addition he cites, a few other current projects underway in Russia,
which include updated URW fonts converted to TTF with good TTF hinting
; the OpenWall GNU/Linux distribution, and GNU/Linux security patches
; MnogoSearch, site search engine ; and Namesys, the company that
makes reiserfs.
Semavina wraps things up pretty well, noting that since "most of
copies of Microsoft Windows in Russia are illegal, many SOHO firms are
now migrating to GNU/Linux because they don't want to have great
expenses to legalize their Windows."
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Most Windows computers are piratedНННННН([23]#13275)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.05.13 13:25
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When I was in St. Petersburg, I could have easily bought any flavor of
Windows, including the most recent betas, for 60 rubles, or about $2.
Just about every market has at least one kiosk with the latest games
and applications for (you guessed it) 60 rubles a disk. I really doubt
that more than a fraction of a percent of all copies of Windows in
Russia are "legal." But at the same time, I think that Linux has a
strong presence (I could always buy the latest RH or Mdk at the same
koisk) and should MS ever decide to crack down on piracy (good luck, I
say), Linux would definitely be able to step in the gap.
[ [24]Reply to This | [25]Parent ]
[26]Re:Most Windows computers are pirated by tbtober 2002.05.13 14:00
[27]Re:Most Windows computers are pirated by Anonymous Reader
2002.05.13 15:04
[28]Sorry to disappoint you (+) by Anonymous Reader 2002.05.13 17:44
[29]Re:Sorry to disappoint you (+) by Anonymous Reader 2002.05.14
10:40
Mdk in RussiaНННННН([30]#13279)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.05.13 14:50
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I was in a Russian Cyber Cafe in Vladimir and I saw several posters
for the local Mandrake users club.
[ [31]Reply to This | [32]Parent ]
BSD | LinuxНННННН([33]#13310)
by Anonymous Reader on 2002.05.14 1:55
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One technical university I saw in the northern part of Russia 3 years
ago was running entirely *BSD and linux on their servers and on a few
workstations. Really quite impressively done. Only the business school
had any MS stuff on their workstations, and that was only because the
applications were only available for MS-Windows.
At that time, large numbers had not been paid in many months. Further
from Moscow, some were even at risk for starving to death. Given how
short of cash nearly everyone there has, there will not likely be any
source of income for MS there, only a loss leader for market share.
Sounds like porting one or two key applications to Linux | *BSD would
tip the market in short order. Technical staff in Russia know what
they're doing and could go far in the international market with
desktop applications, assuming Adobe, Disney or something doesn't come
down on them.
[ [34]Reply to This | [35]Parent ]
A correctionНННННН([36]#13338)
by tbtober on 2002.05.14 13:10НН | [37]User Info |
_________________________________________________________________
I'm reliably informed (by Aleksey Smirnov of ALT Linux) that I
misunderstood some information about the product, ie Mr Smirnov tells
me "ALT Linux is mentioned as Russian implementation of Mandrake. It
was true 2-3 years ago, when we prepared and published Linux-Mandrake
Russian
Edition. But now all ALT Linux distributions are built from our own
repository of packages
(http://www.altlinux.com/index.php?module=sisyphus ). At the first
page of www.altlinux.com the list of packages is published daily." My
apologies for the misunderstanding.
MrSmirnove continues, "We in fact use installation programm from
Mandrake, but for example, the fact that we use APT does not mean that
ALT Linux is implementation of Debian :-)
Now ALT is as far from Mandrake as from RedHat and Debian."
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