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 From:    Florian Cramer <paragram@gmx.net>
 To:      letters@lwn.net
 Subject: "On the Desktop"
 Date:    Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:14:58 +0200
 
 Since I was the very first person to complain about your section "On the
 Desktop", I owe you a note that this opinion has changed. In the last
 few weeks, the column has improved significantly and now is on par with
 the rest of LWN. Great job, and please continue the good work!
 
 Florian
 
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 From:    Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net>
 To:      letters@lwn.net
 Subject: Kudos - "On The Desktop" fits now
 Date:    Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:07:20 -0400
 
 A few weeks ago I wrote in to say that the "On The Desktop" section
 didn't fit with the style of the rest of LWN.  Then, every week since
 I wrote that (starting the week my letter was published), I have
 noticed a gradual improvement.
 
 Finally, this week I realized that the transformation is complete.
 I read through the whole issue of LWN, got to the letters about the
 dekstop section, and thought "oh yeah, I didn't notice that section
 this time."  I checked my browser's history and went back to that
 page; yes, I had read the page, and found it interesting (including
 the review of the XFree86 book).  I just didn't notice anything out of
 the ordinary when I was reading it, as I had in previous editions.
 The style is now the same as the rest of LWN.
 
 So kudos to Michael J. Hammel for transforming "On The Desktop" into a
 true part of LWN!
 --
 ==============================|   "A microscope locked in on one point
  Rob Funk <rfunk@funknet.net> |Never sees what kind of room that it's in"
  [18]http://www.funknet.net/rfunk |    -- Chris Mars, "Stuck in Rewind"
 
    
 From:    Bret Mogilefsky <mogul-lwn@gelatinous.com>
 To:      letters@lwn.net
 Subject: On the Desktop
 Date:    Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:43:27 -0700
 
 This week's On the Desktop column is a huge improvement over what we were
 seeing a few weeks ago!  Thank you for responding and bringing this section
 up to the high standards of the rest of LWN.
 
 Bret Mogilefsky
 
    
 From:    Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org>
 To:      letters@lwn.net
 Subject: Corel WPO2k/Linux instability
 Date:    Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:34:21 -0400
 
 In reference to Dave Mallery's letter from June 14th, I feel we should
 place credit where credit is due for WPO2k's instability.
 
 WPO2k/Linux was buggy and unstable the day it was released.  At the
 time, it would not install on several platforms (prompting eventual
 release of updated install scripts), crashed often, had features that
 simply didn't work and had innumerable problems of many sorts.  It is
 unlikely that many of the problems that Dave is seeing are because he
 is using RHL7.1.  The problems are probably similar to the problems
 that everyone else has been seeing since the app was released.
 
 Corel has provided minimal ongoing support to this suite since
 released, and doesn't look likely to provide any in the future.
 Currently, the most stable WPO2k/Linux is to be had by downloading and
 compiling the latest corelwine from [19]http://opensource.corel.com, and
 modifying the startup scripts appropriately.
 
 While there are a few incompatibilities of WPO2k/Linux with current
 distributions, they're all fairly easy to work around.  The real
 problems have been there all along.
 
 --
 Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> - In a variety of flavors!
 Great minds run in great circles.
 
    
 From:    zooko@zooko.com
 To:      letters@lwn.net
 Subject: shared library dependencies are a solved problem
 Date:    Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:40:12 -0700
 Editor:
 
 I am surprised that LWN has not yet clued in that shared library
 dependencies are a solved problem.  Appended is a transcript of me
 installing gnucash on my debian system.  I simply typed `apt-get install
 gnucash', waited a few seconds while it figured out all of the dependencies
 and conflicts, answered "Yes" to the question of "It is okay to install or
 upgrade the following packages in order to install gnucash?", and then
 waited for a few minutes while it did so.
 
 By the way, it is *not* accurate to say that I am running "an unstable
 distribution".  That would imply that my software has been recently
 updated.  In fact, I haven't updated any of my base system software in
 months.  Once you have `apt-get', the notion of "distributions" becomes
 fuzzy.  I could have run the exact same apt-get command from a debian
 stable ("potato") system, with the same results, except that the list of
 needed upgrades would be longer.
 
 Now, one could object that it is inherently unstable to upgrade, for
 example, your `bonobo' shared library, but this is a *separate* problem!
 
 There are two problems:
 
 1.  I want to run gnucash 1.6 but I don't want to risk instability by
 upgrading the dependencies to the needed versions.
 
 2.  It is such a hassle trying to figure out which versions of which
 libraries to upgrade or install without conflicting with something else.
 The latter is a *solved* problem if you use `apt-get' (which currently
 means Debian, the Debian-derived products, and I think HelixCode->Ximian
 as well).
 
 And it does *not* require that you "upgrade to an unstable distribution" in
 order to use it.
 Regards,
 
 Zooko
 
 ------- begin appended bash transcript
 
 MAIN imp:/tmp$ sudo apt-get install gnucash
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 The following extra packages will be installed:
   bonobo gnome-libs-data guile-common guile1.4 guile1.4-slib libart2
   libbonobo2 libdate-manip-perl libefs1 libfinance-quote-perl libgal7
   libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 libghttp1 libglade-gnome0 libgnome32
   libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data libgnomeprint15 libgnomesupport0
   libgnomeui32 libgnorba27 libgtkhtml-data libgtkhtml9 libguile9
   libguppi11 libgwrapguile1 libhtml-parser-perl
   libhtml-tableextract-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libmime-base64-perl
   libnet-perl liboaf0 liborbit0 libunicode0 liburi-perl libwww-perl
   libzvt2 oaf slib
 The following NEW packages will be installed:
   bonobo gnome-libs-data gnucash guile-common guile1.4 guile1.4-slib
   libart2 libbonobo2 libdate-manip-perl libefs1 libfinance-quote-perl
   libgal7 libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 libghttp1 libglade-gnome0 libgnome32
   libgnomeprint-bin libgnomeprint-data libgnomeprint15 libgnomesupport0
   libgnomeui32 libgnorba27 libgtkhtml-data libgtkhtml9 libguile9
   libguppi11 libgwrapguile1 libhtml-parser-perl
   libhtml-tableextract-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libmime-base64-perl
   libnet-perl liboaf0 liborbit0 libunicode0 liburi-perl libwww-perl
   libzvt2 oaf slib
 0 packages upgraded, 40 newly installed, 0 to remove and 157  not upgraded.
 Need to get 11.3MB of archives. After unpacking 37.8MB will be used.
 Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
 ...
    
 From:    Michael Price <mprice@atl.lmco.com>
 To:      letters@lwn.net
 Subject: GnuCash 1.6 & library dependencies
 Date:    Mon, 25 Jun 2001 10:33:23 -0400
 
 I was a bit surprised to see an article at lwn.net concerning GnuCash 1.6
 and the large number of libraries it requires. Anyone with Gnome 1.4
 installed will have no trouble installing GnuCash 1.6. On my FreeBSD machine
 I already had every required library except one just by installing the gnome
 port. GnuCash 1.6 was trivial to install.
 
 While I agree that 65 libraries seems like a large number, this really
 wasn't as much of an issue as lwn.net reported it to be. For the most part
 the only people affected where those with old Linux installations who are
 afraid to install anything on their machine unless its in the "magical" rpm
 format.
 
 GnuCash is an excellent program and version 1.6 is feature rich and the
 product of a lot of work. Casting it in a negative light wasn't exactly what
 I'd call responsible journalism.
 
 --
 Michael Price
 Distributed Processing Lab; Lockheed Martin Adv. Tech. Labs
 A&E 3W; 1 Federal Street; Camden, NJ 08102
 856-338-4021, fax 856-338-4144  email: mprice@atl.lmco.com
 
    
 From:    Ariel Faigon <ariel@yendor.com>
 To:      letters@lwn.net
 Subject: Re: .Net to support Linux? (ZDNet)
 Date:    Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:37:19 -0700
 
 Hi Friends,
 
 Haven't we learned Microsoft MO yet?
 
 Yes, they will do everything so people migrate from other platforms
 to theirs.  Ask yourself not whether a MS development tool is available
 on Linux, but whether it is _targeted_ to Linux.  i.e. can the produced
 code _run_ on Linux.  And if it does, ask yourself whether it isn't
 trying to tie the higher-up layer into Microsoft-only .NET services
 or databases (like Hailstorm/Passport) etc.
 
 They are as transparent as air.  Nothing has really changed
 except now they own the browser and are looking at "the next
 frontier" to dominate.
 
 --
 Peace, Ariel
 Living a 100% Microsoft Free Lifestyle, and loving it
 Try it, maybe you'd like it too.
 
    
    
                                                                          
    
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